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The Grape & Grain (European Bars)
We believe this pub is CLOSED
| Beer (sort) | Average Score (sort) | No. Samples (sort) |
|---|---|---|
| Clarence & Fredericks - Golden Ale |  | 3 |
| Wimbledon - Quartermaine IPA | | 1 |
| By The Horns - Lambeth Walk | | 1 |
| Fallen - Chew Chew | | 1 |
| Brockley - Pale Ale |  | 1 |
| Kelham Island (probably brewed by Thornbridge now) - Hippy Chick | | 1 |
| London Beer Factory - Beyond the Pale | | 1 |
| Whitstable - Black Lager | | 1 |
| Okell's - Castletown Pale | | 1 |
| Triple fff - Alton's Pride | | 1 |
| Adur - Velocity | | 1 |
| Hastings - Hastings Blonde | | 1 |
| Westerham - Spirit of Kent XXX Pale Ale | | 1 |
| Kinver - Half Centurion | | 1 |
| Timothy Taylor - Landlord |  | 1 |
| Franklins - Pudding Stout | | 1 |
| Moorhouse's - Old Boss | | 1 |
| London Fields - Love Not War | Not Tried | 0 |
| Kent - Bramling Cross Single Hop | Not Tried | 0 |
| Oakham - Bird Brain | Not Tried | 0 |
| Kissingate - Smelter's Stout | Not Tried | 0 |
| Whitstable - Oyster Stout | Not Tried | 0 |
| Bespoke - Brass Monkeys | Not Tried | 0 |
| Kissingate - Toffee Cog | Not Tried | 0 |
| Hogs Back - Tongham TEA (previously T.E.A.) | Not Tried | 0 |
| Surrey Hills - Shere Drop | Not Tried | 0 |
| Sambrook's - Wandle | Not Tried | 0 |
| Loddon - Gravesend Shrimpers Bitter | Not Tried | 0 |
| Gipsy Hill - Southpaw | Not Tried | 0 |
| Twickenham (also uses sub-brand Old Hands) - Gothick Dark | Not Tried | 0 |
| Brains - Bitter | Not Tried | 0 |
| Rudgate - Innovation Ales Brew No. 20 Kafir Lime Wheat Beer | Not Tried | 0 |
| East London (ELB) - Pale Ale | Not Tried | 0 |
| Slater's - Black IPA | Not Tried | 0 |
| Dark Star - Hophead was 3.8% (some has also been brewed by Fuller's) | Not Tried | 0 |
| Kelham Island (probably brewed by Thornbridge now) - Pride of Sheffield | Not Tried | 0 |
| Cottage - Morgan Plus 4 | Not Tried | 0 |
| Redemption - Urban Dusk | Not Tried | 0 |
| Everards (see entries against Joule's & Robinsons whilst its new brewery was being built) - Truman's Runner | Not Tried | 0 |
| Weltons - Horsham Pale | Not Tried | 0 |
| Thornbridge / Thornbridge Hall - Otter's Tears | Not Tried | 0 |
| Florence - Titfer (branded as A Head In A Hat Brewing) | Not Tried | 0 |
| Twisted Oak - Old Barn | Not Tried | 0 |
| Gloucester - Red Pine | Not Tried | 0 |
| Ascot - 5/4 Favourite (formerly Alligator Ale) | Not Tried | 0 |
| Loddon - Whirlwind | Not Tried | 0 |
| Grafton - Rymes of Robyn Hood | Not Tried | 0 |
| Westerham - Grasshopper Kentish Bitter | Not Tried | 0 |
| Rother Valley - RWB | Not Tried | 0 |
| Adnams - Broadside | Not Tried | 0 |
| Adur - Black William | Not Tried | 0 |
| Adnams - Southwold Bitter | Not Tried | 0 |
| Purity - Pure Gold | Not Tried | 0 |
| Kent - Cobnut | Not Tried | 0 |
| Adnams - American Style IPA | Not Tried | 0 |
| Royal Tunbridge Wells - Royal Best Bitter | Not Tried | 0 |
| Twickenham (also uses sub-brand Old Hands) - Vanguard | Not Tried | 0 |
| Downton - Quadhop | Not Tried | 0 |
| Dorking - DB Winter Ruby | Not Tried | 0 |
| Ha'Penny - Hewitt's Un-hung Hero | Not Tried | 0 |
| Lymestone - Nose to the Grindstone | Not Tried | 0 |
| Sambrook's - Pumphouse Pale Ale | Not Tried | 0 |
| Slater's - Sorachi Ace | Not Tried | 0 |
| Gipsy Hill - Beatnik | Not Tried | 0 |
Chris Excell
Visits Details
06 Aug 2017 (Philip Pirrip)
Evening until 10.30pm close. Echoingly empty. Feels a little jaded to me in the interregnum prior to Wetherspoon doing whatever it will be doing here. Bit of life just before closing time when some of the barmaids took to a bit of formation dancing on the main floor!
| Beer | ABV | Score | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| Fallen - Chew Chew | 6.00 | | £4.90 pp hurts. Really rich salted caramel milk stout. A half might have been better but I drank just the one pint over half an hour or so |
| Dark Star - Hophead was 3.8% (some has also been brewed by Fuller's) | 3.40 | Not Tried | |
| Adnams - Southwold Bitter | 3.70 | Not Tried | |
| Redemption - Urban Dusk | 4.60 | Not Tried | |
| Thornbridge / Thornbridge Hall - Otter's Tears | 6.00 | Not Tried | |
| Gloucester - Red Pine | 3.60 | Not Tried | |
| Grafton - Rymes of Robyn Hood | 4.50 | Not Tried |
27 Oct 2016 (Philip Pirrip)
Evening until 11pm close. Barman said he thought final closure date would be 4th December after which Wetherspoon would gut and do their business. Pub was all inventively dolled up for Halloween too. Good to see bottled Worthington White Shield on sale but at £4.60.
| Beer | ABV | Score | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| Wimbledon - Quartermaine IPA | 5.80 | | Good strong bitter but £4.30 pp is central London in the suburbs |
| Hogs Back - Tongham TEA (previously T.E.A.) | 4.20 | Not Tried | |
| Surrey Hills - Shere Drop | 4.20 | Not Tried | |
| Adnams - Southwold Bitter | 3.70 | Not Tried | |
| By The Horns - Lambeth Walk | 5.10 | Not Tried | |
| Triple fff - Alton's Pride | 3.80 | Not Tried | |
| Gipsy Hill - Southpaw | 4.20 | Not Tried | |
| Rudgate - Innovation Ales Brew No. 20 Kafir Lime Wheat Beer | 3.80 | Not Tried |
20 Jan 2016 (Philip Pirrip)
Evening. Swing Patrol weekly event with several couples dancing to recorded jazz music. I visit less often now the CAMRA discount has been withdrawn and the Westow House, over the road, still does give a discount.
| Beer | ABV | Score | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| London Beer Factory - Beyond the Pale | 4.20 | | Fully hopped, a bit cloying on the palate |
| Hogs Back - Tongham TEA (previously T.E.A.) | 4.20 | Not Tried | |
| Adnams - Southwold Bitter | 3.70 | Not Tried | |
| Adnams - American Style IPA | 4.80 | Not Tried | |
| Downton - Quadhop | 3.90 | Not Tried | |
| Lymestone - Nose to the Grindstone | 4.30 | Not Tried | |
| Gipsy Hill - Beatnik | 3.80 | Not Tried | |
| Oakham - Bird Brain | 4.10 | Not Tried | |
| Bespoke - Brass Monkeys | 4.20 | Not Tried |
23 Mar 2015 (Philip Pirrip)
Evening until close. Chance find that the last knockings of a beer festival was taking place with all real ales £1 pp. These were all on gravity off wooden stillage and all pumpclips on the bar counter handpumps were turned round. Had been 20 beers but only 6 left on offer. Giveaway beer and a superb jazz band playing live. Luxury.
| Beer | ABV | Score | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| Kinver - Half Centurion | 5.00 | | Hazy but tasty |
| Kelham Island (probably brewed by Thornbridge now) - Hippy Chick | 8.00 | | Nightcap juice - complex flavours |
| Moorhouse's - Old Boss | 4.30 | | |
| Twisted Oak - Old Barn | 4.50 | Not Tried | |
| Loddon - Whirlwind | 4.40 | Not Tried | |
| Rother Valley - RWB | 4.40 | Not Tried | Ruby Wheat Beer |
06 Aug 2014 (Edbeck)
Busy for midweek.
| Beer | ABV | Score | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| Clarence & Fredericks - Golden Ale | 3.80 | | |
| Triple fff - Alton's Pride | 3.80 | |
09 Mar 2014 (Philip Pirrip)
Evening. Prices seem to have gone up here to Central London levels - the CAMRA discount makes them acceptable.
| Beer | ABV | Score | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| Whitstable - Black Lager | 4.70 | | £4.10 pp |
| Timothy Taylor - Landlord | 4.30 | | Too fresh. £3.90 pp |
| Whitstable - Oyster Stout | 4.50 | Not Tried | |
| Hogs Back - Tongham TEA (previously T.E.A.) | 4.20 | Not Tried | |
| Loddon - Gravesend Shrimpers Bitter | 4.10 | Not Tried | |
| Brains - Bitter | 3.70 | Not Tried | |
| By The Horns - Lambeth Walk | 5.10 | Not Tried | |
| Clarence & Fredericks - Golden Ale | 3.80 | Not Tried | The fastest mover here tonight |
| Slater's - Black IPA | 5.00 | Not Tried | |
| Cottage - Morgan Plus 4 | 4.00 | Not Tried | Ran out |
| Weltons - Horsham Pale | 3.70 | Not Tried |
26 Jun 2013 (HSB)
12:30 First visit here. I was in the area looking for somewhere for lunch and this place read well in the GBG. Very impressed. About a dozen in.
| Beer | ABV | Score | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| Adur - Velocity | 4.20 | | |
| Hastings - Hastings Blonde | 3.90 | | |
| Clarence & Fredericks - Golden Ale | 3.80 | | Gravity dispense |
| Brockley - Pale Ale | 4.10 | | |
| Westerham - Grasshopper Kentish Bitter | 3.80 | Not Tried | |
| Adur - Black William | 5.00 | Not Tried | |
| Kent - Cobnut | 4.10 | Not Tried | |
| Twickenham (also uses sub-brand Old Hands) - Vanguard | 4.10 | Not Tried | |
| Ha'Penny - Hewitt's Un-hung Hero | 5.00 | Not Tried | |
| Slater's - Sorachi Ace | 3.20 | Not Tried | |
| Kent - Bramling Cross Single Hop | 4.50 | Not Tried |
26 Mar 2013 (Philip Pirrip)
Albeit late evening but almost deserted.
| Beer | ABV | Score | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| Okell's - Castletown Pale | 4.00 | | Perhaps in pipes a while. Nothing like the viciously bitter Castletown Bitter of the 1980s |
| Ascot - 5/4 Favourite (formerly Alligator Ale) | 4.60 | Not Tried | |
| Sambrook's - Wandle | 3.80 | Not Tried | |
| Twickenham (also uses sub-brand Old Hands) - Gothick Dark | 4.60 | Not Tried | |
| East London (ELB) - Pale Ale | 4.00 | Not Tried | |
| Kelham Island (probably brewed by Thornbridge now) - Pride of Sheffield | 4.00 | Not Tried | |
| Everards (see entries against Joule's & Robinsons whilst its new brewery was being built) - Truman's Runner | 4.00 | Not Tried | |
| Florence - Titfer (branded as A Head In A Hat Brewing) | 3.50 | Not Tried | |
| Clarence & Fredericks - Golden Ale | 3.80 | Not Tried | |
| Franklins - Pudding Stout | 4.20 | Not Tried |
25 Mar 2013 (Stephen Harris)
Deep into uncharted South London to meet my friend Kevin here after work. It is a large pub, with a good guest beer policy and a commendable 50p per pint reduction for CAMRA card holders. But it is very quiet on a chilly early Monday evening.
| Beer | ABV | Score | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| Clarence & Fredericks - Golden Ale | 3.80 | | I’m growing a liking for this full-bodied pale ale. |
| Franklins - Pudding Stout | 4.20 | | I’m afraid that I have not been greatly impressed by the Franklin’s beers I’ve tried so far. This is a dark beer with a dominant caramel sweetness plus a bit of roasted barley. |
| Sambrook's - Wandle | 3.80 | Not Tried | |
| Twickenham (also uses sub-brand Old Hands) - Gothick Dark | 4.60 | Not Tried | |
| East London (ELB) - Pale Ale | 4.00 | Not Tried | |
| Kelham Island (probably brewed by Thornbridge now) - Pride of Sheffield | 4.00 | Not Tried | |
| Everards (see entries against Joule's & Robinsons whilst its new brewery was being built) - Truman's Runner | 4.00 | Not Tried | |
| Florence - Titfer (branded as A Head In A Hat Brewing) | 3.50 | Not Tried | |
| Okell's - Castletown Pale | 4.00 | Not Tried |
14 Nov 2012 (Philip Pirrip)
Evening.
| Beer | ABV | Score | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| By The Horns - Lambeth Walk | 5.10 | | |
| Westerham - Spirit of Kent XXX Pale Ale | 4.00 | | Started well but found it lost its intensity of nose and flavour quickly |
| Adnams - Broadside | 4.70 | Not Tried | |
| Purity - Pure Gold | 3.80 | Not Tried | |
| Royal Tunbridge Wells - Royal Best Bitter | 4.10 | Not Tried | |
| Dorking - DB Winter Ruby | 5.20 | Not Tried | |
| Sambrook's - Pumphouse Pale Ale | 4.20 | Not Tried | |
| London Fields - Love Not War | 4.20 | Not Tried | |
| Kissingate - Smelter's Stout | 5.10 | Not Tried | |
| Kissingate - Toffee Cog | 5.50 | Not Tried |
About The Grape & Grain
Summary of Beer Scores
| Total | |
|---|---|
 | 2 |
| 7 |
| 15 |
| 7 |
 | - |
The pub is found in Crystal Palace, Greater London, SE19 2AA.
Situated just up the hill from Crystal Palace railway station, this street corner pub has had a number of different names over the years. It currently offers a good range of beers, comfortable seating, and bar billiards. There is a stage for regular live music - often including a full jazz band. 12 handpumps on the bar in 3 banks of 4. Ciders on handpump and in boxes in a chilled cabinet behind the bar. Reported in Summer 2014 that J.D. Wetherspoon had purchased the freehold but will not take over the pub's running until the current lease expires although subsequently a planning application from JDW for changes has been made. *** Closed in early November 2017 presumably for the Wetherspoon conversion and re-opening to take place. *** In 2024 announced Wetherspoon had pub the venue up for sale as it is undeveloped.
We have visited this pub 14 times, seen 82 different beers and tried 28 of them.
Postcode: SE19 2AA